
Behind the BROKER – Ep. 49 with Chris Pughe & Danny Duong - Mortgage Professionals
Mentorship & Growth: Inside A Better Way’s Broker Relationship Manager Role
In Episode 49, Dean Lawton and Jason Marshall go “inside baseball” on A Better Way’s new Broker Relationship Manager (BRM) program with the two pros leading it: Chris Pughe and Danny Duong. Recorded in mid-August after launching the role on May 1, this conversation unpacks the why, the rollout, and the early impact of a first-of-its-kind support layer designed to help brokers—especially bank specialists—transition smoothly and succeed faster.
Why We Created the BRM Role
A Better Way has long invested in onboarding, but we saw recurring gaps when experienced bankers and brokers moved into the channel: tech setup, lender sign-ups, compliance, and simple “what do I do next?” moments. The BRM role closes that gap with practical, real-time guidance—without pulling top producers out of production. It’s a part-time (≈10 hrs/week) leadership post so the advice stays grounded in what’s working today.
Why Chris & Danny
Both raised their hands immediately. Chris wanted a way to share decades of underwriting and credit experience and “explain the why behind decisions.” Danny had long felt a pull toward training and team support, and this role “checked all the boxes.” Crucially, both are active brokers who already serve as informal go-tos inside the brokerage.
What BRMs Actually Do (Day 1 to Done)
- Welcome & Orientation: BRMs now lead the post-onboarding “welcome call,” walking new brokers through systems, training, lender access, events, and who to call for what.
- Hands-On Transition Support: Many bankers are walked out the same day they resign and can’t transact until the regulator flips the switch. BRMs step in to protect in-flight clients, explain interim options, and keep deals moving.
- Real-World Deal Guidance: From Velocity basics to turn-time expectations and lender intros, BRMs handle the “I submitted—now what?” questions that cause stress and delays.
- Culture & Connection: New joiners get instant community. BRMs introduce them around at events so no one feels like “the new kid at a new school.”
For Bankers Making the Jump
Both guests know the feeling: going from a big fish in a small pond (one system, one credit box) to 20+ lenders overnight is overwhelming. The BRM’s job is to lower the anxiety, break the change into bite-size steps, and be the person you call when a tiny roadblock is holding up a big file. As Chris puts it, sometimes you just need to “move the needle” and the whole transaction flows.
Early Wins (and a Funny One)
- Immediate lift: Fewer escalation calls to ownership; faster time-to-first-file; smoother regulator, lender and compliance setup.
- Confidence effect: One RBC specialist told Jason, after connecting with Danny, the BRM made him certain he’d made the right move.
- The “breakup” text: After daily check-ins with Danny for weeks, a newly onboarded broker stopped calling—because he no longer needed help. He phoned just to say it “felt like we’d broken up.” That’s the metric: needing us less means it’s working.
Reputation, Compliance & Market Reality
Chris notes that more consumers than ever are choosing brokers—and that means we’re judged by our weakest links. The BRM layer lifts the floor: better compliance habits, tighter processes, and consistent client care. Danny’s hearing the same in the market: brokers are coming (and returning) to ABW because setup, compliance, and support are taken seriously here.
Tips for Aspiring Mentors & Leaders
- Listen first. Most “stuck” moments are solved by understanding the real pain point.
- Speak up. Your perspective is needed—throw your name in the ring and take a seat at the table.
- You’ll grow too. Teaching surfaces gaps in your own process—and makes you better
Consistency Over Motivation
Danny credits his longevity to one core principle: consistency. He shows up every day, structures his routine, and sticks to it. It’s not about being motivated 100% of the time—it’s about being present, managing tasks, and inching forward even when momentum dips.
Final Thoughts
This episode is a candid look at how a brokerage can de-risk transitions, accelerate learning, and strengthen culture—without creating bloat or pulling producers off the field. The BRM program started as an experiment; the early results speak for themselves: faster ramps, calmer brokers, happier clients.
Why You Should Listen
If you’re a bank specialist debating the jump—or a broker owner looking to level up onboarding—this is a practical playbook. Chris and Danny show how targeted mentorship, real-time guidance, and a human welcome can turn a daunting transition into momentum within weeks. It’s about people, process, and progress—in that order.
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