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Behind the BROKER – Ep. 50 with Anil Kumar - Mortgage Professional


How product depth, persistence, and community-first values built a durable mortgage business

In Episode 50 of Behind the Broker, Dean Lawton and Jason Marshall sit down with Anil Kumar—one of A Better Way Mortgage Group / Mortgage Architects’ most dependable collaborators. A career salesperson turned broker in 2018, Anil shares how he built a reputation on deep product knowledge, relentless follow-through, and genuine service to clients, referral partners, and community.


From sales pro to solution builder

After immigrating to Canada and switching industries, Anil chose brokering for its flexibility and impact. Two decades in sales meant outreach, networking, and starting fresh came naturally. He applied that muscle to learning policies, meeting BDMs, and earning trust across communities and provinces—so when a file gets tricky, he already knows where to turn.


What keeps him going

Client outcomes—and the gratitude that follows—fuel the work. He recalls difficult purchases saved on subject-removal day and credits lender partners who help make brokers look like heroes. Those wins keep the fire lit through slower market cycles.


Relationships first (and a longer first call)

Anil’s first conversation often runs 30–45 minutes. He learns the family story, background, and common connections—especially within the Indian community—so the relationship goes far beyond a transaction. He’s candid when the best option is to stay with a client’s current bank, and if a broker-channel solution isn’t available, he’ll still find a path so the client and realtor don’t lose momentum.


Smoother files, fewer surprises

Discipline and communication are his shields against chaos. Using a CRM (Blue Mortgage), he schedules proactive updates to clients and realtors—every other day near close, weekly if farther out—and even checks in with conveyancers so small details don’t stall the finish.


Work–life harmony (not “balance”)

Daily movement and walks are non-negotiable—and often where the “sixth-lender” solution appears. His spouse is licensed and runs fulfillment, and his kids are immersed in money and markets. Even on holidays, he blocks a few focused hours for work, then is fully present with family.


Tools and learning rituals

Anil’s toolkit includes Blue Mortgage, e-signing, Adobe, Lender Spotlight, and AI tools like ChatGPT/Gemini, plus simple video tools for social. For signal over noise, he leans on Be the Better Broker, Mortgage Logic News, and primary sources like StatsCan/CMHC/BoC. He shows up to lender sessions and asks the questions others are thinking.


The biggest lever: product knowledge

“Nothing replaces education.” He urges brokers to get product-strong before chasing referrals. Persistence matters just as much: some of his wins arrived after five to seven declines—including insured files where the third insurer finally said yes. Strong BDM relationships—and discussing files before submitting—shorten the path to “approved.”


Community and giving back

Anil supports community-focused events and initiatives, including Friends for Cause Foundation, which funds free rural cataract surgeries in India. Inside the industry, he’s quick to answer questions and share learnings—because real collaboration lifts everyone.


Adapting in a rate-obsessed market

After 2023’s rate shock, he reframed conversations to value, solutions, and clarity of expectations. He’s also diversified into reverse and commercial, meeting brokers and realtors where their clients need help most, and he’s mentoring a small team—many of them former clients.


Advice for new brokers

Be product-strong first. Don’t give up on a file until every viable path—channel, credit union, non-channel, insurer—has been explored. Learn directly from BDMs, use your CRM, and document everything so the next file moves faster.


Why A Better Way / Mortgage Architects

Anil joined Mortgage Architects out of gratitude to the mentors who shaped his career and stayed because ABW’s culture, training, technology, and open-door support make it feel like family—and make it easier to serve clients well.


Final Thoughts

Anil’s blueprint is simple and hard: learn the products, ask better questions, update before you’re asked, and try the seventh lender when the sixth says no. Pair that with service to community and peers, and you build a business that thrives beyond rate cycles.


Why You Should Listen

If you’re looking to move clients off “rate talk” and into real solutions—or you want a practical model for resilience in any market—this episode delivers. You’ll walk away with concrete habits for communication, deal navigation, and long-term growth.


For weekly market updates, sign up for the ABW Tuesday Mortgage Memo. If you’re a broker considering a network change or looking to grow, reach out to us to explore how we can support your success.



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